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Fecal Transplant 02 Sep 2013 14:58 #822

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Really interesting with what is happening here in treating C-Diff and perhaps some other bowel issues.

A simple search can bring up lots of info on the treatment...New England Journal of Medicine, Nature, Wired magazine have all covered the treatment and studies...well really one double blind study done in Europe with impressive results.

Basically...you take donor stool from one person and transplant it into another person (after donor stool is cleared for other diseases) to re-populate the good living bacteria. So yes...kind of a cell type therapy. Living cells (bacteria) .....Now the really interesting part ...the back pedaling of the FDA !!! Read below:


The total cost of the new treatment seems to run for as little as 4k and the patients is cured and home in as little as 2 days in some cases compared to sometimes months of expensive antibiotics. In some articles it appears there was a upswell from the medical community and patients. Here is another article on the subject.


So maybe the FDA can be changed at times.
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Fecal Transplant 03 Sep 2013 08:37 #823

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Yes- the infamous poop discussion.

That was a big theme in the Cell therapy LinkedIn group also as you can imagine. Fact is simply- the FDA has now re-arranged the human cells and tissue regulation in such a way, that they catch virtually all "natural products" and they become a drug i.e. they may cost 500-1000 Mio to get passed the FDA.

Those are - the product has to be for homologous use (the same part of the body where it is taken from is repaired at a patient) or that it has a systemic metabolic impact (metabolic= some chemistry or repair function, which is basically every process in the body)

Only from a a first or second degree relative one could take its poop without it being a drug. Ridiculous- insane really.

See regulations below

a) An HCT/P is regulated solely under section 361 of the PHS Act and the regulations in this part if it meets all of the following criteria:

(1) The HCT/P is minimally manipulated;

(2) The HCT/P is intended for homologous use only, as reflected by the labeling, advertising, or other indications of the manufacturer's objective intent;

(3) The manufacture of the HCT/P does not involve the combination of the cells or tissues with another article, except for water, crystalloids, or a sterilizing, preserving, or storage agent, provided that the addition of water, crystalloids, or the sterilizing, preserving, or storage agent does not raise new clinical safety concerns with respect to the HCT/P; and

(4) Either:

(i) The HCT/P does not have a systemic effect and is not dependent upon the metabolic activity of living cells for its primary function; or

(ii) The HCT/P has a systemic effect or is dependent upon the metabolic activity of living cells for its primary function, and:

(a ) Is for autologous use;

(b ) Is for allogeneic use in a first-degree or second-degree blood relative; or

(c ) Is for reproductive use.

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